The Two Vague Podcast

This week Emelie joins Ben to discuss the word travel.  First they talk about the interesting places they have each been for work and pleasure.  Driving, flying and riding the train are just a few of the modes of transportation discussed before Ben talks about two ridiculous travel themed “games.”  To close out the show Emelie and Ben share their international and domestic dream vacations: Tokyo, Stockholm, the Grand Tetons, and a specific Disney destination.
00:00:56 - “Ask Cheyenne about her unicycle experience”00:02:43 - Emelie’s one free day in Kauai, and Ben’s childhood fascination with surfing 00:05:42 - Emelie has been playing lots of Beat Saber on the Oculus Quest 00:08:40 - Remembering our favorite rhythm games… DDR, Beatmania, and Rock Band 00:13:20 - The first rhythm game, and Ben has a question for Emelie about VR for travel00:18:00 - Back to Emelie in Hawaii and future vacation plans there00:21:30 - Ben talks about skiing, Emelie asks if “pizza” works, and the “Canada pants”00:27:40 - Emelie’s trips to Mille Lacs Lake, Rocky Point, Pagosa Springs, and So Cal00:32:00 - As a child, Ben was afraid of getting stuck in Canada at Niagara Falls 00:34:25 - AMC’s “Airplane Mode” and “Penn & Teller’s Smoke and Mirrors”   00:40:15 - Trips on trains   00:45:07 - Emelie wants to visit Stockholm, and Ben mentions “Welcome to Sweden”00:51:20 - Travel preferences… solo vs. family, and Australia 00:55:51 - Ben wants to sleep at a capsule hotel in Tokyo 00:59:20 - "First Cabin" themed hotel, staying at a ryokan, bath houses, and hot springs 01:02:28 - Getting a driving permit for a Go-Kart tour, and visiting Super Potato01:06:21 - Themed cafes, vending machines, Gashapon, and fishing for you supper01:09:50 - Maid and butler cafes, and a prison hospital themed bar. 01:11:40 - Grand Tetons for Emelie, and Galactic Starcruiser for Ben 01:15:20 - Saying, not singing “Just the Two of Us,” and vacation advice to close the show.

Spring Break season is upon us, and you know what that means… it’s time for a philosophical debate?  Sure, let’s go with that.  Norah had a question about “Episode 34 - Space” for my guest Paul, so we called her up and recorded her for the program.  We ended up talking about the vastness of space, Ben’s lack of knowledge when it comes to automobiles, and the “Metaverse”.
00:00:52 - “It’s an uncle-free zone here at the Two Vague Podcast.”00:02:24 - Norah’s 3 hour waitress job and remembering Aunt Pat00:04:15 - Ben knows nothing about automobile manufacturers 00:06:04 - Norah’s question about the universe, and Ben needs mushrooms00:08:55 - Ben’s power move suggestion... Marcus 00:11:10 - Norah’s universe in a shoebox, and Ben asks Paul for “space evidence”00:14:50 - The most mass in a galaxy, and Dads00:16:18 - Norah has been contemplating the “Metaverse” 00:19:18 - Paul talks about the book Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson00:21:00 - Ben and Paul try to explain “Second Life” by Linden Lab to Norah 00:23:50 - “Smells of the Metaverse,” and closing the call

For this week’s episode (nearly lost to the evils of SD card data corruption), Cheyenne is running the show!  Cheyenne and Ben talk about Fight Club, their favorite John Hughes films, their favorite characters from pop culture (too numerous to mention individually), and their favorite video games for character customizations.
00:00:30 - Role reversal, consolation prizes, and character00:03:30 - Meatloaf dead on a table and a Fight Club discussion 00:08:20 - Ben and Cheyenne are both characters 00:14:00 - Ben thinks you should watch the movie Weird Science00:16:20 - Music vs. Dad humor 00:18:00 - Ben’s answers for Cheyenne’s character “speed round” 00:22:15 - Favorite movie characters: Jurassic Park, Alien, Leon, and Grosse Pointe Blank00:34:26 - Favorite TV characters: New Girl, The Tick and Breaking Bad 00:45:50 - Favorite book characters: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland and Fight Club 00:50:30 - Favorite video game characters: “Horizon: Zero Dawn” and the Mass Effect trilogy00:56:49 - Favorite villains: True Romance, Die Hard and Breaking Bad01:03:22 - How actors play villains and Method acting01:06:56 - Cheyenne is impressed with character creation in Dragon’s Dogma 01:08:55 - Genitalia options in Cyberpunk 2077… what’s the point?01:10:58 - Cheyenne was disappointed with character creation in Skyrim, KoTOR and Fallout01:13:17 - Ben’s character creation preferences and how it relates to the story in the game01:15:26 - Ben describes the character customizations in City of Heroes and City of Villains 01:20:30 - Ben plays the role of a little girl to close the show

Paul joins Ben this week to talk about a very expansive word… assorted nerd-geekery ensues on the subjects of telescopes, aliens, Star Wars, Dune, and other memorable science fiction media.  They only scratch the surface of science fiction space games, but their favorites include a list of recognizable properties (to non-Norah’s) and one forthcoming new Bethesda project that Paul hasn’t heard of.
00:01:55 - Ben and Paul talk about painting… “does anybody know the difference?”00:05:27 - What fascinates Paul about space?00:08:37 - “Do you believe in aliens?”00:11:13 - James E. Webb vs Edwin Hubble, and too many Hubbles00:15:32 - Telescopes on the horizon, and planetariums 00:19:37 - Paul and Ben’s thoughts on Astrology, “The Onion,” pizza, and Pluto00:26:03 - Back to aliens, “storming” Area 51, and fueling creativity 00:29:00 - Paul punts E.T., thoughts on science fiction, and “Only a Sith deals in absolutes”00:33:10 - Ben has questions for Paul about the Dune universe00:38:16 - Ben talks about the movie Outland, and Paul talks about “2001: a Space Odyssey”00:42:30 - Ben’s Ridley Scott trivia, STNG, “The Expanse,” and science fiction books00:45:55 - Paul talks about “The Three-Body Problem” by Liu Cixin00:47:50 - “The Legacy of Heorot” by Jerry Pournelle, Larry Niven, and Steven Barnes 00:49:47 - Ben recommends “Jodorowsky's Dune” and “The Orville”00:54:22 - “Star Wars: Squadrons,” “No Man’s Sky,” “Destiny,” and “Anthem”00:58:48 - Thoughts on development hype, game development today, and “Cyberpunk 2077”01:04:37 - Ship combat vs exploration games, and Elite Dangerous01:07:08 - The “Skyrim” in space game Paul hasn’t heard about01:09:30 - How console exclusives impact players and advancements in cross-play 01:12:21 - Reminiscing about video games, NASA tragedies, and landing the Space Shuttle 01:17:15 - Ben’s Ferris Bueller's Day Off / Space Shuttle fun fact and “torso pants”

Ben and Cheyenne are incredibly excited to talk today, but it could just be the word… HYPE (insert airhorn noise here)!  Ben educates Cheyenne on “hype men” in the music of his youth, Public Enemy’s song/video “By the Time I get to Arizona,” the air horn, Beanie Babies, and assorted documentaries.  When the conversation turns to video games, they discuss Cyberpunk 2077, how to promote games successfully with an appropriate level of hype, The Witcher 3, Dragon’s Dogma, and Warframe. 
00:01:00 - Pre-calculus, snapping necks, cashing checks, and the etymology of hype00:03:35 - The dog’s bollocks, word associations, and hip hop music00:07:15 - Ben’s Weezer hot take and some history on Madison, WI alternative 90’s music00:09:45 - Backwards masking to avoid copyright infringements, and then back to hype00:11:55 - The hype man dancer to singer in the musical group The Prodigy00:17:35 - Cheyenne talks about Eminem and Ben talks about Public Enemy 00:20:04 - The origin of Flavor Flav’s clock, and the bathroom clock 00:23:05 - Public Enemy’s “By the Time I Get to Arizona” rap and music video00:27:20 - Artistic expression, politics, dick measuring, and do your work00:32:58 - “…and then the air horn,” and origins in Reggae and Dancehall music00:35:05 -The Hulu show “Dead Asleep,” fidget spinners, Beanie Babies, and Funko Pop!00:42:10 - Cheyenne and Ben talk about Steve Carell00:46:33 - Ben remembers Outlaw Golf for the original X-Box, hype means exposure00:48:11 - Ben and Cheyenne’s "jinx you owe me a Coke" moment  00:52:18 - Can hype be tempered or controlled?00:56:32 - Companies "making it right" for consumers of video games, and Dragon’s Dogma 01:01:18 - Cooperative multiplayer and Ben’s Warframe story 01:05:57 - To close out the show… Cheyenne does her impression of an air horn!

Ben is joined this week by Judy, a rugby player for the Colorado Grey Wolves in the WPL (http://wplrugby.org).  They talk about Judy’s “origin story” and the ins and outs of the game of rugby.  It’s a subject that Ben has very little knowledge of, but his eagerness to learn inspires Judy to teach him the basics.  In the last portion of the show, Ben shares his passion for video games with Judy by showing her trailers for a number of sports games and asking her for feedback.  Is there a console and game purchase in Judy’s future? 
00:00:20 - Ben is compelled to introduce this week’s word with “Dad humor”00:02:00 - “The home of Cheap Trick,” Rugby 7s, and “rugby people are crazy”00:05:00 - Judy tries to announce her early retirement from rugby00:08:50 - Convincing Judy to come back for a second year, and Ben’s bruises00:12:30 - Mascots, Ben’s talks about peccaries, and things change for Judy in the 3rd season  00:16:20 - Judy makes the Allstar team, and she takes a chance because of the pandemic00:20:40 - Training, team "return to play" protocols, and practicing with elite rugby players00:26:15 - Awesome benefits, cranking the siren, and taxing the cleats00:29:30 - Olympic dreams and the Argentina National Team00:33:01- Ben loves Venn diagrams and reciting facts00:37:05 - How to initiate a scrum, the knock-on and kickoff 00:41:10 - Scrum caps to prevent face burns, firecrackers, and the number 8.00:45:30 - The types of backs, feeding the scrum, and the ways to score in rugby00:53:10 - The World Rugby Certification Exam, tackling in rugby, rucking, and mauling00:56:20 - Is Ben ready to play rugby?00:58:15 - Ben shows Judy rugby video games and gets her feedback 01:02:10 - How valuable is a simulator/video game in sports training 01:06:10 - Captain Tsubasa, should there be a rugby equivalent?01:08:57 - Judy and Ben share their closing thoughts

Ben shares never before heard clips from a few previous shows.  Subjects include social media trends, sex toys, old game shows, movie aliens, stop motion animation, and nostalgic games.
00:00:20 - Ben’s introduction of the “Clip Show” and the first two clips 00:01:45 - Evan tries to explain ASMR, POV experiences, and Mukbangs00:04:45 - Rachel doesn’t like ASMR and Ben talks about a Mukbang dating show.00:07:35 - Ben introduces clips from Marily’s Agriculture episode00:09:00 - Sex toys, “The Great Game of the Goose”, 15 minutes and corn00:18:20 - Introducing the clip from Cheyenne’s Context episode00:20:30 - Skulls and lawsuits 00:24:23 - The Language episode clip and Tahnee has many questions 00:28:50 - Ben introduces a long segment removed from Arden’s Tool episode00:30:35 - A brief history of stop motion animation 00:34:15 - A brief history of Phil Tippett00:40:00 - Arden and Ben discuss CGI and “The Thing” movies 00:43:40 - Ben’s “Heroes” literature class story and Arden talks about nostalgia00:47:30 - Arden and Ben discuss remastered games  00:56:30 - Closing the show with a blooper from Phoenix and Jenna’s Religion show

Emelie and Ben discuss what the word resolution means to them.  Emelie reflects upon her 2022 resolution, a past relationship, the game “It Takes Two,” and watching Star Wars with her big brother.  Ben talks about vector graphics, Aggretsuko, mental health, and early games developed to be played on an oscilloscope. 
00:00:20 - Introducing Ben, Emelie, and word resolution00:04:03 - If there’s a party, Ben’s not going to turn it down00:06:03 - Ben’s resolution joke doesn’t land with Emelie, and she shares her 2022 resolution00:09:00 - Emelie is working on herself, and Ben remembers a previous relationship lesson00:13:45 - “A little bit of both,” solo experiences in the 20s, and remembering resolutions00:17:35 - Ben suggested “It Takes Two” for Emelie and her gamer boyfriend00:20:10 - Killing the elephant with teamwork 00:25:49 - The Ben shows the “Knights and Bikes” trailer to Emelie (10 sec fade transition) 00:27:55 - Karaoke crushes Emelie’s dreams, and Ben explains the show Aggretsuko 00:31:15 - Forgetting to blink, parched eyes, and the resolution of vectors 00:34:20 - Ben talks vector graphics, and Emelie’s mom is a math teacher00:38:10 - A teacher’s schedule, and Emelie has public health sector aspirations00:45:55 - “Space War!” and the snail-mail equivalent of social media00:48:50 - Star Wars memories00:53:10 - Closing thoughts, and we want Emelie back because she sounds good

For the word zodiac, Ben talks about his hesitations when it comes to astrology, sitting in the broadcasting booth at the Oprah Winfrey show, Starscrolls, the game Hades, and the Rogue-like game genre.  Phoenix shares her thoughts on daily horoscopes, chart reading, the differences between Greek and Roman mythology, looking for purpose in life, her fascination with serial killers, fashion marketing, sharing feelings, people watching, and video games she used to play.
00:00:20 - Phoenix and Ben are hosting this week00:03:55 - “… such a Gemini thing to do,” “we are not a sponsor of AstroFuture,” and irony00:08:45 - Ben successfully fights the urge to sing the lyrics to a Shocking Blue song00:13:40 - Is astrology a religion or a tool?00:18:10 - People being interested in serial killers00:23:09 - “Which is… strange to say,” profiling, the Baby Gap, and a small market segment00:27:05 - Phoenix reads Ben’s chart and talks about Geminis 00:31:15 - Hawaiian pizza is the devil’s pizza and 3 strikes again00:35:20 - Gemini sun, Gemini moon, Pisces rising, and Phoenix is not a star racist00:42:00 - Is Pluto a planet?00:45:50 - Ben’s still loves listening to Phoenix explain mythology00:51:20 - Hades spoilers and “Persephone and Nyx have beef” 00:56:10 - Phoenix and Ben’s closing thoughts on the word zodiac and astrology

Tarot is the word for Jenna and Ben this week.  Jenna talks about her Catholic upbringing, spiritual experiences, and reflecting on the meanings of tarot cards.  Ben asks (MANY) questions about religious beliefs and rituals, but he has a couple of stories.  They also discuss using tarot as a guide, GTA, FIFA, and navigating life.
00:00:20 - Jenna is pretty good, Ben is fine, and the word is tarot 00:01:53 - The swords, the pentacles, the cups… and the other thing00:04:04 - Jenna talks about High School and the “mini morning mass”00:07:41 - Jenna was in the newspaper for her religious participation00:09:26 - Guy preaching at the bar in Yuma, and misconceptions about choice 00:13:14 - The self centric nature of religion, and Ben’s King James Bible story00:17:46 - Are mental illnesses caused by demonic possession?00:20:20 - The three of nuns, Jenna considers being a nun, and a priest’s good advice00:23:21 - Similarities between being a nun and being a therapist00:26:16 - Jenna explains transubstantiation and the sacristan to Ben00:29:30 - Ben asks about exorcisms, and Jenna talks about the exorcism priest 00:34:28 - The “pick a side” pandemic and using tarot as a guide 00:37:59 - Ace of swords, Jenna’s reflections, and self expression through tarot 00:41:21 - Ben thinks it means Jenna needs to go to Las Vegas00:46:23 - LBGTQ acceptance in the church, and what repenting is 00:48:52 - “Level 2 sins,” tarot as a changing story, and Ben calls it “throwing down”00:52:50 - Reading reversed vs. not reading reversed, and Jenna played GTA on her phone00:55:26 - After leaving a religion, is there a recovery period?00:57:43 - Jenna explains the Rapture to Ben and contemplates the universe 01:00:45 - Jenna played FIFA and Ben talks about “Captain Tsubasa: Rise of New Champions”01:02:54 - The sports Jenna played in school, and reading as a hobby01:05:43 - Ben thinks it’s too early to tell, Jenna loves philosophy, and closing the show

Closing out 2021, Ben is joined by Arden to discuss the word tool.  Ben talks about Alfred Nobel, remembering his father’s neatly organized tool areas, Eric Sloane books, the “infamous staircase of family legend”, fishing at Lake Julian in Cary, IL (which still operates today), and the band Genesis.  While Arden talks about his favorite tools, builders in the 1100s, thinking that fishing was scary and gross at a young age, his “jack-est” (soon to be a thing), and his enjoyment of the band Tool.  On the subject of video games, they explore the use of tools in “Souls-like” games, Death Stranding, Fallout, Far Cry, Mass Effect, Dig Dug, Dead Rising, and Beyond Good and Evil.
00:00:20 - Your hosts this week are Arden and Ben!00:01:51 - A good tool for crowing or barring, and Arden’s problem with the word gif00:04:20 - Drinking hot coffee out of your hands, buckets of iced tea, and soap00:07:10 - Arden’s favorite tool is his self build PC, and Ben talk about the Nobel Peace Prize00:10:45 - Writing and acting tools, believable dialogue, and acting aspiration stories00:17:15 - Ben reflects on Ed’s tools and explains old label technology to Arden00:20:55 - “Pillars of the Earth,” “A Reverence for Wood,” and the “Frank Lloyd Wright stairs”00:26:20 - Arden’s father introduces him to fishing, and “the dream of fishing”00:30:22 - Ben and Arden talk about the band “Tool”00:33:42 - If H.R. Giger discovered a color wheel, and the original lineup of the band00:37:22 - Ben is a “Genesis” guy more than a “Rush” guy, and the theatrical nature of music00:42:42 - Arden talks about loving Bloodborne and the use tools in the game00:47:21 - The tools in "Death Stranding," and game design creativity for it’s own sake00:52:08 - Lindsay Wagner’s role in Hideo Kojima’s “Death Stranding”00:59:01 - Don’t tell people about the animatronics, and ladders 01:03:07 - Grappling hooks, elephants, and getting attacked by eagles or bobcats01:08:08 - The iconic tool in Mass Effect, and Ben talks about his favorite remastered game01:11:28 - Bicycle pumps, shovels, farming tools, and cameras 01:17:33 - The Nintendo DS “job game” trend, trying to cure guilt, and cooking games01:22:34 - “In that instance the couch is a tool,” and a show closer from Arden

Just in time for Christmas, Ben puts on his producer hat and hands the keys to the proverbial kingdom over to this week’s hosts Jenna and Phoenix who are excited to talk about the word religion.  No video game conversations this week, but there will be plenty of time for that when they each appear with Ben in January.
00:00:20 - Your hosts this week are Phoenix and Jenna00:02:15 - Question 1: “There are numerous instances of violence and wars occurring in the name of religious beliefs, but what are the benefits of organized religion?"00:07:36 - Mistranslations in the First Epistle to the Corinthians and the Book of Leviticus00:11:45 - Jenna and the double edged sword of her previous religious community 00:16:14 - Discrediting modern science, and is religion more harmful than helpful?00:18:29 - Question 2: “Discuss things in life you have experienced that can not be explained by science.  Would you consider these religious events?  Why or why not?” 00:20:30 - Phoenix and Jenna reference the words they discussed with Ben for upcoming shows00:23:32 - Don’t feed the crocodile, and Jenna communicates with a deceased relative00:31:44 - Guidance is guidance, Jenna is really in to rocks, and Phoenix is a raccoon? 00:35:03 - Phoenix says, “Pluto is emo Hades” 00:37:28 - Question 3: “Rituals are a major part of religious practices.  Discuss the benefits and drawbacks of using rituals in religion.  Discuss the benefits and drawbacks of using rituals in day to day life.”00:39:31 - Jenna defines the word sacristan 00:46:01 - Bash speaks up when he hears to word “cat” and “The Power of Myth” by Joseph Campbell 00:50:25 - When is something a ritual, and “is a cup of coffee in the morning a ritual?”00:55:59 - A shout-out to Mason, and Phoenix explains Scientology to Jenna00:58:16 - The fake book, and Phoenix’s Latter Day Saints story 01:00:30 - Ben thinks the world needs more of Phoenix’s renditions of Greek Myths 01:03:31 - Phoenix and Jenna close the show like pros!

This week, Ben is joined by Dr. Tahnee, a teacher of ESL, to discuss the word language.  Tahnee talks about teaching English and her love of languages.  Ben talks about the origins of the Sims game franchise and tries to answer Tahnee’s questions about the development of the Simlish language. 
00:00:20 - Ben and Tahnee introduce themselves00:01:00 - Tahnee talks about where her interest in language started00:03:31 - The Mango and Bash love Tahnee mic sounds, and the school system in Brazil 00:07:34 - How cats communicate with humans, and “The Secret Life of Cats” documentary 00:09:04 - Creativity, sentences, syntax, and context  00:11:05 - “…different parts of your brain” and differences in learning 1st and 2nd languages00:13:43 - Ben hears it but can’t roll it, and Tahnee talks about differences in written and verbal learning00:17:59 - Learning styles and discussing Japanese 00:19:57 - Say no to banning cursive writing!00:24:03 - Not all language courses are the same, and structuring coursework to standards00:28:20 - The subject, the predicate, how to make sense, and “a lot more 20 letter words.”00:31:22 - The profound end of the pool 00:34:21 - A pitfall of learning a second language00:36:29 - Ben’s hot take on people correcting grammar 00:39:20 - Tahnee is more objective in English, and she talks about conceptual metaphors 00:42:22 - Syntax, nuance, and using the passive voice 00:45:57 - Tahnee anticipates her student’s needs based on their native language00:48:04 - Research on interactive video games as a language learning aid 00:52:21 - Ben explains “The Sims” franchise development and history 00:55:34 - Ant not aunt simulator, and William’s tragedy inspires him 00:59:40 - Tahnee has lots of questions and thoughts about Simlish 01:02:42 - Originally, Simlish was entirely improvised01:05:12 - Tahnee’s professor brain has questions, "The Jabberwocky," and the word baby in Simlish 01:11:16 - Applying nonsense in a systematic way01:14:59 - Katy Perry songs in Simlish, and Ben’s misunderstanding01:17:46 - Tahnee’s brain starts looking for patterns… and so do players 01:20:11 - The constraints of languages, and consonant clusters 01:22:50 - Phonetics, Phonology, and baby talk (in all languages)01:26:56 - Ben’s Sims story, have a wonderful life, and go learn a second language!

This week Cheyenne joins Ben to talk about the word platform.  Diving, water pipes, taking risks, platform shoes, cosplay, Booster Gold, and the movie “The Platform” are just a few of the subjects they discuss on their circuitous route to video games.  Then Ben and Cheyenne talk about their most memorable game consoles and platform games to close out the show. 
00:00:20 - Introducing Cheyenne, Ben, and the word platform00:02:45 - Saying episode words makes Ben feels dirty, and then he talks about diving00:05:14 - “… discontinued in 1937” and the origin fancy diving  00:08:12 - “… a bunch of people on a couch” and “water pipes”00:10:17 - Cheyenne proposes doing some research00:12:20 - Ben explains diving competitions for Cheyenne… the tetherball queen!00:15:49 - Ben (mis-)pronounces “de natation” as “de nation” 00:17:05 - Cheyenne’s cliff diving experience, and Ben sounds like a diving nerd00:20:36 - The Norm MacDonald joke about cliff diving00:21:57 - Ben and Cheyenne talk a little bit about Generation Z and taking risks 00:23:15 - “… that don’t involve Tide Pods,” and a friendly PSA00:25:30 - Cheyenne’s challenge for Ben and the DC comics hero Booster Gold00:30:17 - Capes… Cheyenne has experiences with them00:33:40 - Ben’s brief Jet Set Radio interlude followed by “the hole”00:37:27 - Discussing the premise of the movie, “The Platform”00:39:15 - Shoes and stilts 00:42:10 - Cheyenne’s first console and the PC game “Chip’s Challenge”00:46:44 - Ben’s memorable console stories 00:51:30 - Cheyenne loves Nintendo and Ben brings up the gaming stigma00:56:45 - The definition of a platform game is a loose one01:00:15 - "Guys, it's okay! He just wanted his machete back!”01:01:46 - Cheyenne’s favorite platform games 01:06:58 - The first platform arcade game and others 01:09:41 - Gryzor sounds like Broforce to Cheyenne01:12:05 - A couple of Ben’s favorite platform games 01:15:05 - Ben’s favorite platform game and what he thinks a remaster should be

Prepare yourself for a debate!  Ben and Eric have their own perspectives on what makes a great game, but first Ben tries to throw Eric off his rhythm by explaining perspective drawing.  They have similar views on what makes great movies, but when it comes to enjoying games… well that’s a different story.  Does Ben’s ploy work?  You’ll have to listen to find out!  
00:00:20 - In the beige corner… Ben & in the green corner… Eric… always special 00:01:25 - Ghost Obi-Wan Kenobi’s truth… from a certain point of view00:04:00 - Reflections on the Star Wars franchise / universe and Eric talks Tolkien 00:08:40 - Old movies, practical effects, computer graphics and filming techniques00:11:10 - Ben’s counterpoint; fantasy universes vs “real” universes 00:15:45 - Ben’s perspective in art and drafting “tutorial”00:19:10 - Examples of video games that represent various visual perspectives00:22:50 - “… not the muscle group”00:25:50 - Ben’s favorite class in High School 00:28:20 - Eric explains his struggles with drawing 00:31:00 - The Lord of the Rings trilogy and the use of forced perspective00:34:40 - Eric apologizes for you thinking Episode 2 is a good movie00:38:45 - The Star Wars “de-specialized” editions and Lucas snubs the National Archives00:42:30 - Ben thinks that editors are the unsung heroes of Hollywood00:47:10 - Starting the video game debate…00:49:01 - Eric talks about why he enjoys Diablo 3, Skyrim and Fallout00:52:25 - Ben generally likes story more than game mechanics00:55:05 - “Don’t force story on me” and “selling that replay value” 00:59:40 - Ben loves Warframe because it is “free to play”-ish and highly customizable 01:03:10 - Ben thinks that City of Heroes “died” too soon and Eric likes the “Battle Pass” 01:06:50 - Season passes past and present 01:11:10 - The game remaster discussion01:14:13 - “Do you play ‘Soccer Cars’?”01:16:10 - Improvising Pac-Man’s backstory and talking about “point and click” adventures01:19:20 - Myst is dumb, and Eric and Ben agree on the Portal games01:23:20 - Trophy hunting, bookends, and Eric’s perspective has changed  01:26:05 - Wrapping up the show with a summary of their perspectives on games